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	<title>Comments on: Two Four-Letter Words: Spam and Free</title>
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	<description>Andrew weighs in on the ways in which the web and the world are changing</description>
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		<link>http://changingway.org/2008/06/04/two-four-letter-words-spam-and-free/#comment-6144</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great blog. Just stumbled here late on Christmas day - but I&#039;ll definitely be back - - Happy new year to all]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog. Just stumbled here late on Christmas day &#8211; but I&#8217;ll definitely be back &#8211; - Happy new year to all</p>
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		<title>By: Mollom: Milestones and Money &#171; Changing Way</title>
		<link>http://changingway.org/2008/06/04/two-four-letter-words-spam-and-free/#comment-5971</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mollom: Milestones and Money &#171; Changing Way]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 9, 2008   Mollom is one of four spam comment fighting services that I&#8217;ve covered before. Mollom has enough recent news to merit a fresh post. Centernetworks&#8217; Allen Stern summarized [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 9, 2008   Mollom is one of four spam comment fighting services that I&#8217;ve covered before. Mollom has enough recent news to merit a fresh post. Centernetworks&#8217; Allen Stern summarized [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 20 Ultimate Wordpress Plugins - Čolović Vladan</title>
		<link>http://changingway.org/2008/06/04/two-four-letter-words-spam-and-free/#comment-5935</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[20 Ultimate Wordpress Plugins - Čolović Vladan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] but it&#8217;s not working for mobile users. Another solution are spam-fighting services as mentioned in this great post. The last resort is to completely outsource comments by using Disqus (or Intense Debate whch is [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but it&#8217;s not working for mobile users. Another solution are spam-fighting services as mentioned in this great post. The last resort is to completely outsource comments by using Disqus (or Intense Debate whch is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://changingway.org/2008/06/04/two-four-letter-words-spam-and-free/#comment-5619</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt, thanks for the comment. By the way, does one need to quality &quot;PR&quot; with &quot;surface&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, thanks for the comment. By the way, does one need to quality &#8220;PR&#8221; with &#8220;surface&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://changingway.org/2008/06/04/two-four-letter-words-spam-and-free/#comment-5519</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In interviews and speeches I&#039;ve mentioned the &quot;open sourceness&quot; of Akismet a few times in the past year, addressing this very issue. The &quot;engine&quot; part of Akismet that handles the incoming API requests and such is trivial - literally less than 200 lines of code. A good measure of Open Source is whether something meaningful can be built on top of it, like how people can use WordPress MU to build systems like Edublogs. Releasing the non-rules/data part of Akismet wouldn&#039;t provide much value to the world, and we&#039;re not desperate to call things &quot;open source&quot; just for surface PR benefit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In interviews and speeches I&#8217;ve mentioned the &#8220;open sourceness&#8221; of Akismet a few times in the past year, addressing this very issue. The &#8220;engine&#8221; part of Akismet that handles the incoming API requests and such is trivial &#8211; literally less than 200 lines of code. A good measure of Open Source is whether something meaningful can be built on top of it, like how people can use WordPress MU to build systems like Edublogs. Releasing the non-rules/data part of Akismet wouldn&#8217;t provide much value to the world, and we&#8217;re not desperate to call things &#8220;open source&#8221; just for surface PR benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://changingway.org/2008/06/04/two-four-letter-words-spam-and-free/#comment-5517</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anil and Mike, thanks for your comments. Interesting that you should each mention spamassassin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anil and Mike, thanks for your comments. Interesting that you should each mention spamassassin.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Mike Wendell</title>
		<link>http://changingway.org/2008/06/04/two-four-letter-words-spam-and-free/#comment-5516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. Mike Wendell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re debating on releasing our spam solution.  It still requires work and, I know it sounds silly, we&#039;re still working out a name.  It&#039;s based on spamassassin and we&#039;re working on plugins for many of the different platforms.

My biggest problem with Akismet is its inability to deal with false positives.  Granted, you can always mark a incorrectly labeled comment as not being spam and use the form on the Akismet website but both seem to be black holes to us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re debating on releasing our spam solution.  It still requires work and, I know it sounds silly, we&#8217;re still working out a name.  It&#8217;s based on spamassassin and we&#8217;re working on plugins for many of the different platforms.</p>
<p>My biggest problem with Akismet is its inability to deal with false positives.  Granted, you can always mark a incorrectly labeled comment as not being spam and use the form on the Akismet website but both seem to be black holes to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Anil</title>
		<link>http://changingway.org/2008/06/04/two-four-letter-words-spam-and-free/#comment-5514</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always forget that reading licenses is a bit like reading religious texts: It&#039;s all in the interpretation. From the conversations we&#039;ve had inside Six Apart, the enterprise-class services we&#039;d talked about perhaps offering around TypePad AntiSpam would be things like reporting or monitoring, etc. The core ability to protect your blog from spam is free and will remain so for all users. We&#039;ve just seen, honestly, that a lot of our professional user base likes having services that they can pay us for, in order to get support and have a relationship with our team, and we didn&#039;t want to close the door to those customers or that potential.

Regarding the open source-ness of TPAS, it feels a bit like we&#039;re getting into the territory where defintions are less useful and people make their evaluations on a gut level or on an emotional basis. I say that not as a criticism, but just as an observation. Not speaking for Six Apart, but just for myself, it feels like the logic or rules in an antispam service are the data, and we don&#039;t share all of our data. That doesn&#039;t mean the engine that runs them isn&#039;t open source, just that we keep some data private. This is analogous to how, for example, SpamAssassin treats its rulesets, which many users customize, tweak, or invent without sharing.

We&#039;re definitely open to suggestions of how to make these ideas clearer, or how we can improve what we&#039;re doing, but if the first result of TypePad AntiSpam is that it encourages other services to become more free (as in both beer and speech), that seems like it can only be a good thing. Oddly, I haven&#039;t heard more people arguing for that, or at least I&#039;ve been too busy to find those conversations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always forget that reading licenses is a bit like reading religious texts: It&#8217;s all in the interpretation. From the conversations we&#8217;ve had inside Six Apart, the enterprise-class services we&#8217;d talked about perhaps offering around TypePad AntiSpam would be things like reporting or monitoring, etc. The core ability to protect your blog from spam is free and will remain so for all users. We&#8217;ve just seen, honestly, that a lot of our professional user base likes having services that they can pay us for, in order to get support and have a relationship with our team, and we didn&#8217;t want to close the door to those customers or that potential.</p>
<p>Regarding the open source-ness of TPAS, it feels a bit like we&#8217;re getting into the territory where defintions are less useful and people make their evaluations on a gut level or on an emotional basis. I say that not as a criticism, but just as an observation. Not speaking for Six Apart, but just for myself, it feels like the logic or rules in an antispam service are the data, and we don&#8217;t share all of our data. That doesn&#8217;t mean the engine that runs them isn&#8217;t open source, just that we keep some data private. This is analogous to how, for example, SpamAssassin treats its rulesets, which many users customize, tweak, or invent without sharing.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re definitely open to suggestions of how to make these ideas clearer, or how we can improve what we&#8217;re doing, but if the first result of TypePad AntiSpam is that it encourages other services to become more free (as in both beer and speech), that seems like it can only be a good thing. Oddly, I haven&#8217;t heard more people arguing for that, or at least I&#8217;ve been too busy to find those conversations.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://changingway.org/2008/06/04/two-four-letter-words-spam-and-free/#comment-5513</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand that the Defensio downtime is due to problems with Amazon EC2. Carl is providing updates:
http://forum.defensio.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=75]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that the Defensio downtime is due to problems with Amazon EC2. Carl is providing updates:<br />
<a href="http://forum.defensio.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=75" rel="nofollow">http://forum.defensio.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=75</a></p>
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